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| Author: | Kelly [ Wed May 18, 2016 9:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | 30 Ply Birch Shell w/ Ebony Oak Outer veneer |
Came home to a couple things today. This work of art heavy as hell 14 x 8 monster:   I didn't get to try it out because I also came home to nearly everything stolen from under my carport. Entire tool box, cases of various other tools, Cordless drills, compressor, weed whacker, battery charger, cases and cases of every type of hardware known to man....and the list goes on. So all in all, the thief is a little ahead. |
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| Author: | Gregory [ Wed May 18, 2016 9:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 30 Ply Birch Shell w/ Ebony Oak Outer veneer |
Man, Lily just told me about that. Saw it on facebook, she did. Sorry to hear it, Kel. The new drum looks heavy. A shame you weren't there to use it on the snake. |
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| Author: | Kelly [ Wed May 18, 2016 10:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 30 Ply Birch Shell w/ Ebony Oak Outer veneer |
I really wish she hadn't of posted it on facebook |
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| Author: | Gregory [ Wed May 18, 2016 10:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 30 Ply Birch Shell w/ Ebony Oak Outer veneer |
Can understand that! |
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| Author: | Gregory [ Wed May 18, 2016 10:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 30 Ply Birch Shell w/ Ebony Oak Outer veneer |
Are those all vents I'm seeing on that snare? |
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| Author: | Kelly [ Thu May 19, 2016 8:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 30 Ply Birch Shell w/ Ebony Oak Outer veneer |
They are. This is supposed to be one of the most sought after of their newer series. All of them sold and they can't be found. My good friend Peter, the goto Premier guy, had this one new in a box and just sent it to me. I wasn't really needing a snare. But the most I can make out of a youtube video they appear to sound pretty good. So I'll give it the good old college try. I'll have some free time anyway. No tools to fix anything |
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| Author: | cliff [ Thu May 19, 2016 12:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 30 Ply Birch Shell w/ Ebony Oak Outer veneer |
Hey Kelly, Sorry to hear of the thievery, but happy that the thief got there before the drum did. 
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| Author: | phatsolid [ Thu May 19, 2016 12:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 30 Ply Birch Shell w/ Ebony Oak Outer veneer |
Kelly, Wow, 14x8" and 30-ply. If the neighbors don't complain I'll be disappointed! BTW, I have a GMS snare with the "Perimeter Venting System" which looks similar to yours. It's a series of small holes around the drum but closer to the bottom bearing edge. Don't ask me to explain the science, it's here: http://gmsdrums.com/drums/snares/perimeter-venting-system/ Anyway, it sounds great. As do most of my other drums without PVS!  - D. |
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| Author: | Kelly [ Thu May 19, 2016 3:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 30 Ply Birch Shell w/ Ebony Oak Outer veneer |
That was funny Cliff. The drum was insured though. But still, it's an act of God to collect anything. Like my home owners insurance for instance. First thing they said was that if you file a theft claim your premium will go up. Of cooouuurrrsseee it will. David, I'm interested in trying this thing. It's like old school heavy. Owners of it say it's incredible. But I'm really leery of elated owners that I don't know. You I trust. |
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| Author: | phatsolid [ Fri May 20, 2016 8:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 30 Ply Birch Shell w/ Ebony Oak Outer veneer |
I generally don't like drums with thick shells, but snares can be an exception to that. The concept of how a snare is designed and its purpose(s) is so different from toms or bass drums. It's funny... in trying to find something I ran across this old interview from the guys at SONOR in 1985 talking about shell thickness: "To explain why Sonor favors heavier, more solid drum shells, even in its lighter models, it is easiest to quote Oliver Linknot from anything that was said during our interview, but from what he says in The Drummer's Drum. Research has been carried out at the German Federal Institute of Physics into "how the materials, form and size of a drum interrelate and affect the sound quality of the instrument." It was found that the drumshell doesn't contribute to the sound of the drums. It should be passive. It is the volume of air contained within the shell that reacts with the vibration of the heads to produce the sound. Oliver's conclusions are as follows: "The shell must not vibrate, in order not to deprive vibration energy of the drumhead by its own vibration. The shell must have a high flectional resistance; the higher the flectional resistance, the less chance of the shell producing its own vibrations. The shell must have a great mass, thus making the decay of the drum sound to a large extent independent from the way it is fixed to holders or stands. Furthermore it favors an efficient projection of the fundamental tone." So a drumshell shouldn't vibrate, but once free of vibrations, the thickness of the shell can still affect the sound of the drum. According to Oliver, "The basic frequency will be more muffled when the shell has a thin wall, so that the upper frequencies emerge. The sound seems to be more brilliant and sustaining. Shells with thicker walls and equipped with the same type of heads have the same spectrum of overtones as thin shells. However, the projection of the fundamental tone is better. The sound seems softer and fuller." According to Horst Link, "The sound of a drum comes only from the heads; the shell only gives the volume of the resonance space. The shell shouldn't take away any vibrations from the reaction of the heads to the space inside the shell. If the shell vibrates, it takes power from this process. The sound of a drum will improve as you put more on a shell-even with weights; you could cover a shell in concrete; it cannot be heavy enough for the ideal projection of the head sound. This is with regard to the basic tone of the head. But we do make tighter drums. This is because the overtones can be an important consideration in the overall impression of the sound. Some people want to hear some overtones, so with the Sonorlite, you get a reduced basic tone with more overtones. It is a livelier, more colorful sound." Steve Gardner said, "The whole idea of vibrating shells was in somebody's mind. Research wasn't done to see whether a vibrating shell really did give you a better sound. Even this company used to advertise shells as being 'full vibrating,' and it wasn't until somebody said to them 'Hang on a minute. It's only when you stop the shells from vibrating that you put the energy into the head,' that they changed. If you have a vibrating shell, you are taking energy away from the heads, so you lose volume-and more importantly, you lose tunability. You lose the potential of tuning a certain size of drum to its optimum highest pitch or its optimum lowest pitch; you are stuck with this thing that most drums of the '60s had, where you had a set sound that you couldn't get away from. I think that a lot of companies have been having trouble with their power toms. Again, it's all in the mind. Someone has an idea, and goes to the drum company, and says, 'I want a tom-tom this deep.' So the company makes it without doing any research into the way it sounds. Very often, the sound that comes off the bottom head on a power drum is nothing like what drummers think they're getting when they hit the batter head. This company has not only taken note of the research done by the Federal Institute, but it does its own research. If the basic tone of a deep drum is going to be ruined by overtones, Sonor will beef up the shell to counteract it, because Sonor cares about the way its drums sound. As percussion manufacturers, the people at Sonor know that, with a chime bar for instance, it isn't only the note that the bar itself is tuned to that matters, but it is the proportions and material of the sound chamber underneath it which have to project the note accurately. Otherwise, it will sound wrong. All these things are researched and carefully worked out. The same methods are applied in designing drums. The research that has been done, and is still being done, at the Federal Institute wasn't commissioned by Sonor. It is available to everyone, but nobody else has taken it up!" Oliver Link continued, "We don't want to have a situation where we are telling people that they have to use heavier shells, because it is always the better sound. The reason why we offer so many different shell sizes and combinations of thicknesses is that we want to give the drummer the largest possible choice of sound. Some people want the livelier sound, so we give it to them." They went on to talk about how important bearing edges are, and in general, their preference for a precise, narrow connection with the head. I guess I prefer "livelier" drums to use their description. I love quick response, sustain, volume, and what I perceive to be a "fuller tone." And perhaps more overtones? But I am also rarely in a recording studio and I rarely get to mic my drums. I did find my Phonic Plus kit to be an amazing rock kit. But I still couldn't get the sustain I wanted out of the 10" tom, even with a RIMS mount. - D. |
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