On drums...

Gentlemen,

I've owned 3 or 4 Flatrides and sold every one of them. One trick pony cymbals.
If I wanted to simplify, I'd get a nice 20" thin ride that is also crash-able. That and a 16" crash would be enough for just about anything.

Cheers,
Brian

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Seems david and I were at the same show, it was killer.
He seemed to favor his ride and China. I think rides have come full circle for a lot of folks, as they use all parts of the cymbal for different sounds, as opposed to haveing one that just hast a very defined stick tone with no wash and a weak(or too powerful) bell.
When he hit a crash it definitely had impact.

I'm with Tim on having a versatile ride cymbal. I am so over dry, pingy rides. I like a full tone with a decent wash. I had a John Dolmayan Eclipse ride. When I played a straight eighth note rock patten the rest of my kit disappeared in the mix.
I couldn't hear for DAYS!

Brian

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Drums and No Money will get Me through Hard Times better than Money and No Drums!
-A Recovering Drum Addict

Here is a pic of Jack's kit from the other night. He only had 1 ride, but I think his new rides have 3 different surfaces on them so he has some variety there. He had 2 crashes on the left that you can see. Tim - was his China off to the right and low... next to his ride? I didn't hear him playing many China sounds... more traditional ride/crash sounds. I though he sounded better as the night went on. He seemed cold and not warmed up to start... like I've felt for the last 3 months!! After all it was only about 1 degree outside and he's getting on these days! The whole "Jack" vibe was there in spades though.

I thought it was interesting that they played so "outside" all night. His latest cd with Esperanza playing bass on it is very "tune" oriented. Hell, he even has Bruce Hornsby singing on it. But this concert was all very free improvisation.



- David

It was freezing out that night, it was 5 before I left the house with the wind whipping up the river. No wonder they started out slow.....
I did like the whole out vibe they had, they owned it. His china was to the right of the ride, now that I see your picture I know why you couldnt see it. That three point ride he had was great! He played the crap out of the china as well, but it had more of a trashy crash sound then a gongy china.

I hate all the "modern" sound reinforcement they feel compelled to use these days at shows like these. All they needed were some simple mic'ing of Esperanza, the sax, and the piano/Rhodes/Node. Instead it was all mic'ed up to the hilt and in a gorgeous small room like that I think you lose tons of dynamics. Lovano's sax was totally compressed and sounded the same volume all night, even though he was playing everything from loud squeaks to quiet flute parts.

I heard Joshua Redman's group in the same theater years ago and it sounded a million times better. If I recall there were no mics on anything but maybe the piano. I don't even think the sax was mic'ed.

- D.

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Gregory

Thats the only Sonor kit the area backline company has. It sounds great in a variety of situations

I dont have a 3 point, I've played a bunch on the store and they are nice. I have an Omni which is kinda the same concept, its on that video I posted

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Gregory

Yes I am Greg. I bought a used 21" and 18" Omni on DFO last year. Once I learned how to use them well I ended up with 4 different ride sounds, 2 good bells and 2 good crashes. The 21 has a darker crash than some people might like, but to have 2 cymbals with that much versatility for gigs around town is great.
As far as the lathed vs unlathed portions of the cymbal, there is a great deal of definition between them. The concept works. I've only tried the Sabian version, but I'm sure it holds true for the other makers as well.
I'll send you the ride if you want to try it out for a week or so, let me know.