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cliff wrote:

I don't think of you as a 20" crash guy.

I regularly use two crashes. One is an 18, the other a 22. The 22 says "Ride" on it, and I do but not nearly as much as I crash it.

This is an interesting subject. Except at very small gigs, I use four rides; all larger than 20", and all crash well. The 18 is good for the quick highs that stand outside the sonic pitch of the music. The other cymbals, as crashes, are used more for blend and sustain. Particularly when crashing a cymbal that's being used for ostinato, whether bumped minimally for emphasis or hit hard for accent, the music tends to be revealed as the cymbal opens up.

Obviously, all else being equal, the larger the cymbal the more slowly it opens and decays. That is an effect I like, happening beneath the music rather than on top of it. But I have to have one cymbal that stands out or else the shading of the larger cymbals is too subtle and gets tedious.

Author:	Goki [ Sat May 02, 2015 7:10 pm ]
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The picture says it all..... Finally bought a set: DiRiL Special series 12" splash 14" hi-hat 16" crash 18" crash 21" ride The 18" crash is fantastic!!! The 16" crash is standard, a bit on the high end. The hihats are very well balanced, and with a brighter sound than I expected. But they are not very loud and blend nicely with the band. The 21" Ride has a wonderful bell. Heavy and dark, weighting 2885gr, it has a very good vibe within..... I like it a lot. The 12" splash is between a splash, trash and mini china.... More pictures in the album..... Will post weight info tomorrow. Unfortunately, have no chance to record them yet...

Author:	Gregory [ Sat May 02, 2015 7:41 pm ]
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Great photos! Aren't new cymbals a gas?

Author:	Goki [ Sun May 03, 2015 12:22 pm ]
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Thank You Gregory!!! They certainly brought liveliness in the band.... The singer/harp player likes the ride, the guitarist likes the milder hihat - and all in all, they have a more vintage tone in them... Ill say once again - I totally and completely adore the 18" Crash. Played it with a bear chain yesterday, as a crash and super light Ride... It did wonders. The 21" Ride without the chain sounds fantastic as well... Actually, it's the second Turkish Ride I've played here that I actually adore without the sizzler... It sounds semi-dry, but like them good old Avedis PING Rides... The only other Ride I liked was a Masterwork 20" Ride from a friend of mine. That one is a jazzy fella, but my friend who's a totally rock guy wont trade it or sell it..... The new cymbal set, although in same sizes - opened a dilemma... In this case, I prefer the 18" as a primary crash, instead of the 16" (as is the case with the Zildjian set). But, I like and need a bigger crash on the right hand side, above the ride, because when things go into high volume, I play the crash, instead of crashing the ride... So, I might go for a 20" crash, as well... Who knows...

Author:	Gregory [ Mon May 04, 2015 10:58 am ]
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Shit. Just wrote a long - and very intelligent - response and lost it. Hi, Goki!

Author:	Goki [ Mon May 04, 2015 1:36 pm ]
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Gregory wrote: Shit. Just wrote a long - and very intelligent - response and lost it. Hi, Goki!

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Author:	cliff [ Mon May 04, 2015 2:52 pm ]
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Hey Goki, I always knew that there were ride cymbals out there that did not require augmentation from the hardware store; just wasn't sure when you would find one. I don't think of you as a 20" crash guy. Nice photos, too.

Author:	Gregory [ Thu May 07, 2015 7:22 pm ]
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cliff wrote: I don't think of you as a 20" crash guy. I regularly use two crashes. One is an 18, the other a 22. The 22 says "Ride" on it, and I do but not nearly as much as I crash it. This is an interesting subject. Except at very small gigs, I use four rides, all larger than 20", all good crash cymbals because they are thin. The 18 is good for the quick highs that stand above the sonic pitch of the music and everything else that is coming from the drum kit. The other cymbals, as crashes, are used more for blend and sustain. Particularly when crashing the cymbal that's being used for ostinato, whether bumped minimally for emphasis or hit hard for accent, the music tends to be revealed as the cymbal opens up. Since the other rides are chosen for pitches in relation to each other, each has a different effect that melds with the others if they get hit is series. If one of these cymbals sounds good when ridden, it sounds good when crashed. Obviously, all else being equal, the larger the cymbal the slowly it opens up and the slower the decay. That is an effect I like, just so long as I have one cymbal with a quick voice.

Author:	Goki [ Sun May 10, 2015 3:40 pm ]
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cliff wrote: Hey Goki, I always knew that there were ride cymbals out there that did not require augmentation from the hardware store; just wasn't sure when you would find one. I don't think of you as a 20" crash guy. Nice photos, too. Thanx Cliff... the 16" crash is starting to open up.... You were right, my friend - the cymbals are slowly taking up character... And that's wonderful I'm still considering the 20" crash simply because I want to have an open option at any time with the DiRiL cymbal set.

Author:	Goki [ Sun May 10, 2015 3:44 pm ]
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Gregory wrote: cliff wrote: I don't think of you as a 20" crash guy. I regularly use two crashes. One is an 18, the other a 22. The 22 says "Ride" on it, and I do but not nearly as much as I crash it. This is an interesting subject. Except at very small gigs, I use four rides; all larger than 20", and all crash well. The 18 is good for the quick highs that stand outside the sonic pitch of the music. The other cymbals, as crashes, are used more for blend and sustain. Particularly when crashing a cymbal that's being used for ostinato, whether bumped minimally for emphasis or hit hard for accent, the music tends to be revealed as the cymbal opens up. Obviously, all else being equal, the larger the cymbal the more slowly it opens and decays. That is an effect I like, happening beneath the music rather than on top of it. But I have to have one cymbal that stands out or else the shading of the larger cymbals is too subtle and gets tedious. For the music I play, a crash with a long decay, or a ride used as a crash....... That just doesn't do it for me, Gregory... I need a 16" crash for the blues... And I'm struggling with the sustain of the 21" Ride... I'm starting to learn their character...... And I'm HAPPPPPPPY!!!!!!!!!!

Author:	Gregory [ Sun May 10, 2015 11:09 pm ]
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I just thought I'd nudge a little to see if you were moving in that direction, Goki. I'm delighted you are happy with your cymbals! I forgot to mention that all my rides are quite dry and very thin, so they tend to decay quickly. I think of them this way: Istanbul 22 ride: Super soft crash, trashy like a china without the pangy quality, rivets for getting more air. Often the decay is quicker than I would wish. Can be stirred up with a brush and at low volumes goes on hissing for a long time, but is like a huge splash when struck hard with a stick. Bosphorus 22 ride, 2200gr: Mixes with big guitar chords, high pitched overtones cut well, rounded metallic sound. Bosphurus 22 ride, 2000gr: More air, deeper undertones, a great crash to play off the previous, heavier cymbal. Boshporus 21 flat ride: crashes like a thunder sheet, abrupt, percussive, subdued but sudden explosions I'm sure that doesn't really describe them, but that is the poetic language by which I understand them.

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