On drums...

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Cliff

River City Trio

What if we did all have the same opinions?

You know, GC gets a lot of flak(deservedly so in a lot of ways)... But I've gotten some really, really good deals on some used gear at various GCs..
Shocking, but true.

That's a nice set-up, Cliff. How do they sound?

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Ron- A.K.A "The Frenetic Rah Rah Guy"

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Cliff

River City Trio

What if we did all have the same opinions?

Sheesh!
No wonder I'm always broke.

I checked these out the other day as well, I was going for a set that would sound good together and I wouldn't cry if any broke.
No luck, just a ton of rides and one crash that was a total dud. I may take a drive to another store tomorrow, it really is a good deal if you can make it work for you
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For me, the 'Traditionals' are the most satisfying, I suppose because they come closest to the old Turkish Ks, yet, with their own 'vibe'.
Of course, they're the costliest in Paiste's line, but I've had good luck buying two on Ebay at 1/2 the new CYMBALS ONLY price.
BTW, I believe, with Paiste, if you choose by series type & weight, you won't go wrong.
It's been rumored(?) that they were actually made by the Dirils and their current limited availability is the result of a business disagreement.
Ron
This letter from Eric Paiste addresses some of the issues:

I’ve received some information about rumors travelling around the world on internet blogs and forums, regarding our Twenty Series. I thought it might be a good idea to make our side of the story public. Because I do not believe in marketing BS, I will keep it brief and to the point:

Paiste received raw materials, specifically unfinished goods, from Murat and Ibrahim Diril in Turkey. We then hammered and lathed this material to make Paiste cymbals, the Twenty series. It is not true that Twenty cymbals were made entirely by Diril, or that we just applied logos to “finished cymbals” received from them.

Unfortunately, what we are dealing with is a disgruntled supplier, who has lost both Paiste and another cymbal company as customers. Be that as may be, I still wish them well for the future.

We discontinued our relationship with the Diril brothers because of quality problems. A significant portion of the raw materials received did not conform to our standards, resulting in cymbals we had to destroy after our final quality control inspection. We had no choice but to wind up the relationship.

We will continue to offer the Twenty series, we will not discontinue it, and we will ensure that our customary quality and consistency applies. That’s the bottom line.

Any questions or comments are welcome to my attention at produktionsleiter@paiste.com.

My deep appreciation to all our fans and supporters for allowing us to continue to make great cymbals.


Erik Paiste

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Cliff

River City Trio

What if we did all have the same opinions?

I agree with your assessment of Paiste, within the framework of the cymbals I have bought from them (602 and 2002). It may take ten cymbals, but you will find the same one without undue effort. I have never tried the Traditionals; didn't exist when I was buying Paiste.

I haven't bought a Paiste in a long time; Bosphorus and Istanbul have been closer to what I'm looking for, particularly as the 602 series disappeared.

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Gregory

I think the rule of thumb with Trads is: The thinner, the darker.
I have a 20" med. light ride @ 2,126 g. and 20" light ride @ 1,930g.
The light is low pitched with a soft, 'buttery' stick attack and a subtle, spreading undertone and dark crash, without being 'trashy'. It's not 'glassy'.
I have 3 different Bosphorus 20" rides; Hammer, Masters and Stanton Moore. Each have a unique
character, with some of the best qualities of an old, thin A, as well as a K vibe. I love them all,
But the Paiste Trad. light is very special. I believe it's not B20, but don't know what, exactly.
Ron

The last Paiste setup I tried a few years back were the Signatures. I didn't like them.
Somehow about a year ago experimenting again I ended up with a Vintage series 16 crash. That was a great sounding cymbal.
I don't follow paiste stuff, got lost after using 2002's for years but when I eventually put that cymbal on the bay it was a feeding frenzy. I got more than I paid for it.