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| Author: | tim [ Fri Sep 23, 2011 4:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Zildjian Day |
Went to my local stores Zildjian day by complete accident today(though they told me about it last time I went in). Granted its right across the street from Berklee but they had nothing but thin, trashy rides up for demo. Boxes of them. Maybe a few heavier cymbals but I mean a few. Most were the prototypes and if they are trying to put the little jazz cymbal makers out of business they wont. Imagine 10 kids playing jazz ride pattern on cymbals that have no stick definition and weak bells. It really made me sad. Maybe their testers at the factory are going deaf? Pretty poor showing. Just for comparison I brought a few of the better ones over to the wall with the meinl and sabian offerings, no comparison, they were smoked in every conceivable way. Even the Paistes ate them up. The used Zildjians ate them alive. Just ranting, wish they would get it together and put out some consistent product, instead of a winner for every 10 duds. |
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| Author: | cliff [ Fri Sep 23, 2011 5:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Zildjian Day |
Hey Tim, I have not personally tried any new Zildjians in a while, but the last time I did, it was a disappointing experience. I use to play nothing but, and I would not trade the Zildjians I have for anything, but I don't see much (except for some Constantinoples) from them that interests me very much these days. 
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| Author: | Gregory [ Fri Sep 23, 2011 6:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Zildjian Day |
I got exhausted looking for good ones thirty years ago. |
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| Author: | phatsolid [ Mon Sep 26, 2011 7:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Zildjian Day |
I think to some degree it's all in what you're looking for. Paiste's thing was all about "consistency". Try one 20" 2002 ride and you've tried them all. But Zildjian was always more individual. After trying and owning lots of brands I usually still end up liking Zildjians best. I picked up a used Zildjian "Special Dry Ride" and a "Left Side" ride that I love. I also picked up a "Session" crash that is fantastic (I think that's the Steve Gadd line?). But they're all unique and you've got to play them, hear them, etc. I tend to like darker tones, even for playing louder music. I own some modern Instanbul and Bosphorus cymbals too but for the most part they are just too dark and wobbly for most uses, even jazz for me. I've never really known Zildjian to make really thin rides? I wonder what models they were? Anyway, the thing I find most interesting about cymbals over the years is how your ear gets "tuned" to your personal cymbals after awhile. I still play the ride, hi-hats and crash/ride that I bought in 1981 and I love their sound. But everything I hear now is in "reference" to those! - D. |
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| Author: | cliff [ Tue Sep 27, 2011 1:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Zildjian Day |
Hey David, Interesting observation in regards to the personal ‘reference point’. I agree with you that I tend to establish a reference set, but that over time, the reference point tends to move as well, once it becomes obsolete. For many years, my reference point was 60’s & 70’s Avedis Zildjian, and then became mid to late 90’s K Zildjians, and since acquiring a set of Ibrahim Diril AD series a year or so ago, I notice that they have now become the point of reference for me. In terms of references for external conversations, it is often a matter what common ground is available. For example, dark, dry cymbals in reference to Zildjians is a very different thing than talking about, dark, dry cymbals in reference to Sabian DeJohnettes, eh? |
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| Author: | phatsolid [ Tue Sep 27, 2011 1:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Zildjian Day |
Cool... from what I've heard about the Dirils they sound great. Would love to hear them in person. I was just over at Boston Drum but didn't see any there. - D. |
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| Author: | cliff [ Tue Sep 27, 2011 2:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Zildjian Day |
phatsolid wrote: Cool... from what I've heard about the Dirils they sound great. Would love to hear them in person. I was just over at Boston Drum but didn't see any there. Hey David, Somewhere up here I have posted a clip or two of what mine sound like upon arrival. They have loosened up a bit since, and I'll do another sample at some point in the foreseeable future. |
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