On drums...

I offer this to those of you interested in the topic of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, these five segments, fairly short, give grave insight into the modern dilemma. I think this has bearing on the true nature of the problem. Perhaps a little heavy for a drum site, and I apologize, but eminently watchable.


Part 1 http://tv.nationalreview.com/uncommonkn ... ViODI1Y2Q=

Part 2 http://tv.nationalreview.com/uncommonkn ... g2MjIwNzE=

Part 3 http://tv.nationalreview.com/uncommonkn ... MyOTQzMmU=

Part 4 http://tv.nationalreview.com/uncommonkn ... FmYWMxNmI=

Part 5 http://tv.nationalreview.com/uncommonkn ... U4YzNkZjQ=

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Gregory

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Cliff

River City Trio

What if we did all have the same opinions?

I disagree with you entirely Greg on this one. The vast majority of the population in Greece contributed to their own situation and will not tolerate any austerity measures that hold them even slightly accountable for their situation. Not only do the Occupy Wall Street folks not have that focused and common an incentive, their motivations are quite varied and they represent an amazing cross-section demographically. Yes there are the professional protesters and weirdos getting a great deal of press, but their are also students who are carrying much more debt then we did at their age. The cost of college has increased 538% over the last 30 years. These aren't kids asking for a hand-out for the most part. Some just want the slightest glimpse of the promise we had and that society in general promised them.

Shedding light on the collusion between Wall Street and the broken American political system is not a bad thing at all. Both parties are bought and paid for and in somebody's pocket. I maintain that there are millions of Americans who have done everything right, paid their bills on time, kept their insurance premiums up to date and worked hard all of their lives who have been cast to the wind by bankers, politicians and corporate greed in general. My wife's Aunt and Uncle lost well over 100K as a result of the Enron debacle. This is not a mirror image by a long shot.

Roland

I appreciate that comment, Roland. To respond, first I've got to understand what I said, because I recognize the great difference in situation between Greece and the US that you mention. But that difference is lessened by the degree to which government is expected by its citizens to become an equalizer or provider. Greece has simply gone off the rails.

I've been asking about the OWS protesters because I cannot understand what they are thinking. That does not necessarily mean that some do not have a legitimate gripe; what it means is that their method and their choice of friends is really awful. My business has been killed by the current economy, so I can relate to anyone loosing economic confidence. Your in-laws sound more like candidates for the Tea Party, whose adherents (despite allegations of bigotry and racism and anti-governmentism in the press) seem to demand financial responsibility of government rather than demand "give us ours" as a slogan.

It is that slogan that makes OWS and Greek rioters similar. Fortunately we have not yet reached the tipping point in this country where government is the biggest business, but we're close. Many people do not believe that you can kill the goose that lays the golden egg. The Greeks have discovered that fact and are protesting it; they're shaking a dead bird.

Mr. Praline: 'Ello, I wish to register a complaint.

Owner: We're closin' for lunch.

Mr. Praline: Never mind that, my lad. I wish to complain about this parrot what I purchased not half an hour ago from this very boutique.

Owner: Oh yes, the, uh, the Norwegian Blue...What's,uh...What's wrong with it?

Mr. Praline: I'll tell you what's wrong with it, my lad. 'E's dead, that's what's wrong with it!

Owner: No, no, 'e's uh,...he's resting.

Mr. Praline: Look, matey, I know a dead parrot when I see one, and I'm looking at one right now.

Owner: No no he's not dead, he's, he's restin'! Remarkable bird, the Norwegian Blue, idn'it, ay? Beautiful plumage!

Mr. Praline: The plumage don't enter into it. It's stone dead.

Owner: Nononono, no, no! 'E's resting!

Mr. Praline: All right then, if he's restin', I'll wake him up! (shouting at the cage) 'Ello, Mister Polly Parrot! I've got a lovely fresh cuttle fish for you if you
show...

(owner hits the cage)

Owner: There, he moved!

Mr. Praline: No, he didn't, that was you hitting the cage!

Owner: I never!!

Mr. Praline: Yes, you did!

Owner: I never, never did anything...

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Gregory

I too agree that Greece and Wall Street are different things, but have similar protesting crowds.

In Greece You have people that lived a comfortable "utopia" which they knew would break someday, and now they protest.
On Wall Street, people protest against "protecting the banks first, and people later", but the young anarchists and anti-globalists are the same as those in Greece.

All tend to speak what should be done - no one wants to work to get it done...

I see people like that here (and know plenty). Most of those "activists" are children of executives, who have a monthly allowance and don't need to work. They do this either to build a CV for a political career, or, to show that they work, when all they do is, well, wear expensive (branded) military jackets and Palestinian scarfs. A true rebel, whose bills are payed by his parents...

That's my point of view, at least...

By the way - http://rt.com/news/greek-debt-write-off-843/
They should have been harsher on Greece - simply because:
1) The money was spent carelessly, and luxuriously, not for state projects
2) Italy and Spain will use the same tactics now (I'm sure of it, they have a very similar way of thinking, plus Spain and Italy are known for having all sorts of benefits for the administration).
3) Ireland, who got help credit - has to pay higher interest, and no one mentions writing off some of the debt. And still, unlike Greece, Ireland imposed several measures, and did ALL that was asked of her, by the EU. I'm sure other EU countries, that will ask for help, will meet harsher terms.

I'm sure the banks will compensate by raising interest rates (again) for other EU citizens.


And here - another proof that it's all pre-planned:
http://rt.com/news/greeks-french-warships-threat-835/
France will led Greece 300mil euro, and Greece will then buy 4 ships from France, for 300mil euro, with interest.
They give You money, but You spend it on their goods...

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Goki - short from Goran

Let the good drums roll!!!

Phew! Goki, I just got done watching a vid of Micheal Moore, beloved movie maker of the left, supporter of OWS, explaining that the reason he can't be accused of being part of the 1% because he really hates those guys.

If one could achieve moral goodness by blaming others for their lack of it, we'd all be going to heaven, Armani military jackets and all.

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Gregory

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Cliff

River City Trio

What if we did all have the same opinions?

Think you may have just put your finger on the human condition, Cliff.

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Gregory

Fresh news of the revolution, via New York Post.

Quote:
For three days beginning tomorrow, the cooks will serve only brown rice and other
spartan grub instead of the usual menu of organic chicken and vegetables,
spaghetti bolognese, and roasted beet and sheep's-milk-cheese salad.

They will also provide directions to local soup kitchens for the vagrants,
criminals and other freeloaders who have been descending on Zuccotti Park in
increasing numbers every day.

To show they mean business, the kitchen staff refused to serve any food for two hours
yesterday in order to meet with organizers to air their grievances, sources said.

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Gregory

Sounds like they now represent 98%.

Don't want those bums leaching off their assets.

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Cliff

River City Trio

What if we did all have the same opinions?