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Author:  cliff [ Sun Sep 11, 2011 8:22 am ]
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I am sure that everyone has their own memories of the day, and don’t need mine recapped.

Suffice it to say that my sympathies remain with those that lost lives and/or loved ones, and eternal respect and admiration to those chose to put themselves in harm’s way to help others.

The events of 9/11/01 were a costly way to make clear that it need not be a sovereign nation that destroys peace and declares war. May we not become complacent and forget that lesson.

...and a grateful tip of the hat those fighting that war to this day.
Author:  Kelly [ Sun Sep 11, 2011 9:42 am ]
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Nicely put Cliff.

My brother was a block away. I was merely 10 minutes away. I watched the whole thing unfold. A lot to be thankful for.
We did lose a relative with young children and many in the family are changed for ever.
Author:  Goki [ Sun Sep 11, 2011 12:13 pm ]
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A very sad day for sure - throughout the world...

It was simply terrifying...


May it never be forgotten - it's amazing how little it takes for men to become worse than any other animal on the planet...
Author:  Gregory [ Sun Sep 11, 2011 12:31 pm ]
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Kelly wrote:
We did lose a relative with young children and many in the family are changed for ever.



Everyone was changed forever, even though some try to pretend things are still the same. It's hard to believe it's been ten years... I might have believed three.

I remain profoundly grateful to those who diverted and crashed Flight 93, to those who strode into the mayhem, and to those who have gone to war on our behalf since. Nobody wishes the world to be the way it is, but only those hopeful souls who reject suffering and think they can determine utopia can sincerely pretend otherwise.

Goki wrote:
...it's amazing how little it takes for men to become worse than any other animal on the planet...


...or better. :) :) :)
Author:  RolandG [ Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:21 am ]
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I didn't think that the anticipated anniversary showing of the Twin Tower destruction would affect me the way it did today. The repeated television broadcast of the collapsing towers that we endured 10 years ago was burned into my psyche more than I realized. The tears came again. My prayers go out to the survivor families who walk in this pain everyday.

CBS ran an outstanding piece hosted by Robert De Niro. It had ground Zero footage inside Tower 1 that I didn't even know existed. If you can't find a rebroadcast, it is on iTunes. I highly recommend it.

Roland
Author:  Kelly [ Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:41 am ]
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Greg,
There was a change in everyone, immediately following and a short time after. That change is now gone unfortunately. No ones fault, it's human nature that distance removes the initial effect.
I still get flooded with emotions, as Roland is saying, and probably like most people when I see those pictures all over again but I wouldn't say I am a changed person.
I did not lose a family member.
My sister in law, who used to be very fun and very outgoing, is a changed person. Since losing her brother she has been distant from the family where as she used to spend a lot of time with us. When we do see her she is in this sorta numb quiet state. My hope is that one day I see her laugh again and get peace with it but...maybe she already has.
Author:  Gregory [ Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:53 am ]
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Kelly wrote:
Greg,
There was a change in everyone, immediately following and a short time after. That change is now gone unfortunately. No ones fault, it's human nature that distance removes the initial effect.
I still get flooded with emotions, as Roland is saying, and probably like most people when I see those pictures all over again but I wouldn't say I am a changed person.
I did not lose a family member.
My sister in law, who used to be very fun and very outgoing, is a changed person. Since losing her brother she has been distant from the family where as she used to spend a lot of time with us. When we do see her she is in this sorta numb quiet state. My hope is that one day I see her laugh again and gets peace with it but...maybe she already has.


I'm sorry to hear your sister has withdrawn as a result, Kelly. I will pray for her.

What I meant was not so much that individuals have changed, but that the world is a different place, with a different realization of evil and its power and reach. There is no way, for instance, that a low flying plane over NYC could cause anything but near panic. Only a myope would take a 747 on a joy ride down the Hudson past the Manhattan skyline.

A young (18 year old) girl I spoke with a month ago described her generation as having been formed by 9/11. As is often the case, I was pursuing a thought and didn't think to ask how she saw that. I'm an idiot.

We have adapted, if that's what you mean. Things still look pretty much the same. There was an agreeable and pronounced change immediately after; people's pet theories and prejudices were humbled into silence. A soft and highly feminized, egocentric culture met a hard, over-the-top masculine culture, and the effect was chastening. And yes, I agree to some extent, this has all come back to, for lack of a better term, normal, but I'd argue that the divide between the utilitarian and spiritual viewpoint of man has been thrown into greater relief.

I know a huge shift has taken place and I feel it quite personally; people who were once my friends are now – not so much.
Author:  Kelly [ Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:37 am ]
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I agree the world has changed, maybe if just by the realization of how big evil can be. It is my opinion though, we were way to complacent before the attacks.
The girl you describe was 8 years old on 9/11/2001, so I think we agree, she has not been changed so to speak by the events. The only real changes I see is this benign attempt to boost airport security. And actually that is probably just helping to return us to the same state of complacency.
My personal opinion is, "when you made the announcement that you would like to see me, my family and my country removed from the face of the earth, and spend your entire existence trying to fulfill that dream, then I have every right to remove you first before you get the chance to act". Clinton was a moron with his policy of "lets just make friends with everyone". Even his moronic wife after 9/11 was saying we shouldn't have attacked militarily, "we should just talk to them". Seriously?
Not a problem, I will talk to them, right after I stop them from flying planes into my buildings. And part of that conversation will be, don't do it again.


Can you better explain the loss of friends and shift you feel personally. I don't understand.
Author:  Gregory [ Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:36 am ]
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Kelly wrote:


Can you better explain the loss of friends and shift you feel personally. I don't understand.


Why they don't want to talk with me?

There is an increasing gulf between those who accept and take responsibility for the world as it is (what's wrong with the world is, me) and those who believe that it's someone else's fault and set out to correct everyone they don't like. The current administration would seem to exemplify the latter viewpoint. I grew up in that crowd and am conversant with its thought lines, and once shared its abhorrence of being hemmed in by stuffy old principles.
Author:  Kelly [ Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:45 am ]
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Gotcha.
Fank you, as Kate would say.
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