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 Post subject: Re: Marquis
PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:34 pm 
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Wait a minute - I'm totally confused... :? :? :? :?

What exactly did You buy Kelly?!? The green Signia or this Signia Marquis kit (with the Christmas tree in the back)?

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 Post subject: Re: Marquis
PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 3:21 pm 
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Goki wrote:
Wait a minute - I'm totally confused... :? :? :? :?

What exactly did You buy Kelly?!? The green Signia or this Signia Marquis kit (with the Christmas tree in the back)?


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Sorry, Goki, just laughing at the general confusion. I'm sure Kelly will respond soon, if he hasn't packed his computer.

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 Post subject: Re: Marquis
PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 5:41 pm 
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Goki wrote:
Wait a minute - I'm totally confused... :? :? :? :?

What exactly did You buy Kelly?!? The green Signia or this Signia Marquis kit (with the Christmas tree in the back)?


You're not the only one :? :oops:

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 Post subject: Re: Marquis
PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 6:44 pm 
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Step away for one minute and see what happens...
I have the Green Machine, at my house. Picking up the Marquis on this trip. (christmas tree pic)


Dave...my experience with rerings was limited to Delites. And I HATED those drums. It was scary going for this one but the more I read, the more I wanted to try them. Premier states their rings were not for structural purposes but sound only.
I expected the drums to be pretty dry sounding/focused with the rings and very undersized shells, aka Sonor sound.
They are just not that. Gobs of resonance and a really really great tone. Love it. Shows you what I know. Some more resonance and you would have SClass Pros. No idea how they are doing that with these shells.

The reason I might favor the regulars over the Marquis is tom depth. I get along well with the deeper toms, whereas I have not seen a Marquis kit that is not 10 x 8, 12 x 9 etc...like the christmas tree pic. (for the Premier unlearned)
Wish I could find a green Signia 20 x 18. Well actually I did, in Italy. Guy doesn't understand a word of english lmao.


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 Post subject: Re: Marquis
PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 1:11 am 
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Well - now I understand...


Kelly - I hope everything goes smooth!!! Having both options is wonderful, I think... :)

Congratulations on the deal - and have a safe trip, my friend!!!

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 Post subject: Re: Marquis
PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 5:33 am 
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Thanks Goki.
It is doubtful I will keep both but we shall see. Can't see me parting with the greens...the Marquis would have to thrill me even more to do that, which is possible. I'll give it some time.
Plus side is the Marquis 20 x 18. That really has become my size. Just have to see if I can get along with a 10 x 8, 12 x 9.
They might be fine here by myself but it all depends on what type of band I end up in. My history has been heavier rock type stuff but that is starting to change.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 8:05 am 
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Well if the Marquis don't float your boat... you know who wants first dibs! ;)

Maybe I'll have sold my house by then.

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 Post subject: Re: Marquis
PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 8:40 am 
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Gregory wrote:
phatsolid wrote:
...They had some great ideas in the 90's that just got squashed by bad business decisions.

- D.

Like... trying to be a business in England? :shock:



Yeah, word is that Premier got kinda screwed over by Yamaha in the late 90s. I guess Yamaha had wanted a bigger presence in Europe and Premier had wanted a bigger presence outside of Europe, so they inked a deal where they would share technology and marketing. If you notice all the Premier cymbal stands in the 90s were made by Yamaha (or with re-labeled Yamaha parts). And I guess Premier learned how to "bake" their shells and do the cross seam thing or whatever Yamaha was doing did to keep their shells so stable. But after Yamaha got what they wanted out of Premier in Europe, they said bye bye to the deal and Premier was left with some great looking and sounding drums, and still no market outside of Europe to sell them in.

And they didn't have whatever Sonor had (business sense? brand loyalty? whatever?) to stay alive on their own, so they sold themselves a few times to some lame "Music Company Distributors" that only care about profit margin on beginner music store crap.

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 Post subject: Re: Marquis
PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:22 am 
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Yeah, word is that Premier got kinda screwed over by Yamaha in the late 90s. I guess Yamaha had wanted a bigger presence in Europe and Premier had wanted a bigger presence outside of Europe, so they inked a deal where they would share technology and marketing. If you notice all the Premier cymbal stands in the 90s were made by Yamaha (or with re-labeled Yamaha parts). And I guess Premier learned how to "bake" their shells and do the cross seam thing or whatever Yamaha was doing did to keep their shells so stable. But after Yamaha got what they wanted out of Premier in Europe, they said bye bye to the deal and Premier was left with some great looking and sounding drums, and still no market outside of Europe to sell them in.

And they didn't have whatever Sonor had (business sense? brand loyalty? whatever?) to stay alive on their own, so they sold themselves a few times to some lame "Music Company Distributors" that only care about profit margin on beginner music store crap.

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Something's not clicking. Premier's marketing system, anywhere, had a value to the big Y? I confess to ignorance of the situation, but let me pose at least a possible alternative view:

In the late 50's, Daimler-Benz realized they needed a market in the US. They made a deal with Studebaker, who had a large network of dealerships, and Studebaker saw the potential of selling Mercs, just as Studie sales were failing. Two companies, each hoping the other would save its bacon.

Trouble was, Studebaker dealerships and salesmen used to hawking low price vehicles had no idea how to deal with Merc clientele. Daimler-Benz, after two years, realized the fatal flaw and purchased themselves back for 2.5 milliion, which was a lot of dough at the time, but considering later history, a rare bargain.

Point is, corporate cultures and markets are not necessarily amenable, and ruthlessness is not necessarily the reason they divorce. Viewing the Brit culture (rate of business failure, general work ethic, socialistic tendencies, etc.) it's at least reasonable to suppose it may have played some part in the breakup, and it goes without saying, particularly in a mindset that sheds personal responsibility, that those left behind would blame... the crab that somehow managed to climb out of the bucket. :lol:

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